什么是“顺时针”以及“逆时针”方向。在矩阵旋转中?

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我正在学习 PCA 中涉及的数学。出于我的目的,我只是想了解 90° 旋转矩阵。我得到了旋转矩阵的概念,但是当我查看 wikipedia 时,Wolfram Mathworld 网站 等。我不断看到以下定义为 90° 逆时针 旋转矩阵:

|0 -1|
|1  0|

但是当我实际进行数学计算时,我似乎得到了围绕原点顺时针旋转的点:

|1 2|     |0 -1|     |2 -1|
|3 4|  x  |1  0|  =  |4 -3|

绘制点(1,2)和(3,4),它们都在象限 1 (+,+)。绘制结果点 (2,-1) 和 (4,-3),它们都位于四边形 4 (+,-) 中。旋转有效,但看起来是顺时针,而不是逆时针。我缺少什么?

注意一位朋友建议这是旋转的坐标系,但 Wolfram 站点(上面链接)似乎明确排除了这是我误解的原因(请参阅( 1) 和 (3) 在 Wolfram 网站上)。

非常感谢任何帮助。

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I'm learning about the math invovled in PCA. For my purposes here, I'm just trying to understand a 90° rotation matrix. I get the concept of a rotation matrix, but when I look on wikipedia, the Wolfram Mathworld site, etc. I keep seeing the following defined as a 90° counter-clockwise rotation matrix:

|0 -1|
|1  0|

but when I actually do the math, I seem to get the point(s) rotated clockwise around the origin:

|1 2|     |0 -1|     |2 -1|
|3 4|  x  |1  0|  =  |4 -3|

Graphing the points (1,2) and (3,4), they're both in quadrant 1 (+,+). Graphing the resulting points, (2,-1) and (4,-3), they're both in quadrang 4 (+,-). The rotation works, but it seems clockwise, not counter-clockwise. What am I missing?

Note A friend suggested that it's the coordinate system that's being rotated, but the wolfram site (linked above) seems to explicitly exclude that from being the cause of my misunderstanding (see (1) and (3) on the wolfram site).

Any help greatly appreciated.

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你好,陌生人 2024-11-02 18:53:16
x'  =  | 0  -1 | * | x |
y'     | 1   0 |   | y |

所以你想要的是

x'  =  | 0  -1 | * | 1 |
y'     | 1   0 |   | 2 |  =  (-2, 1)

x'  =  | 0  -1 | * | 3 |
y'     | 1   0 |   | 4 |  =  (-4, 3)

如果你在图表上绘制它并在两个原始点和两个新点之间画一条线,然后从原点到每条线的第一个点画一条虚线,然后画一个 90两条虚线之间的度角标记,您将看到 90 度角已从原点逆时针旋转。

x'  =  | 0  -1 | * | x |
y'     | 1   0 |   | y |

So what you want is

x'  =  | 0  -1 | * | 1 |
y'     | 1   0 |   | 2 |  =  (-2, 1)

x'  =  | 0  -1 | * | 3 |
y'     | 1   0 |   | 4 |  =  (-4, 3)

If you plot that on a graph and draw a line between the two original points, and the two new points, and then draw a dotted line from the origin to the first point of each line, and then draw a 90 degree angle marker between the two dotted lines you will see that the 90 degree angle has rotated counter clockwise from the origin.

梦魇绽荼蘼 2024-11-02 18:53:16

超简单的答案。起来。转90度。你转向一侧。但对你来说,世界似乎变成了另一个。这就是它总是如何运作的。如果对坐标系执行 X 操作,则看起来就像对该坐标系中事物的表示执行了 X 操作的逆操作。

(我知道你实际上并没有站起来并转身,所以我必须告诉你,真正站起来并转身是确保这一点牢牢记住的好方法。你将智力结合起来,动觉和视觉系统一起做,每当你再次感到困惑时,再做一次以帮助自己弄清楚。)

Ultra simple answer. Stand up. Turn 90 degrees. You turned one way. But to you it looked like the world turned the other. This is how it always works. If you do X to the coordinate system, it looks like you did the inverse of X to the representation of things in that coordinate system.

(I know you didn't actually stand up and turn, so I have to tell you that actually standing up and turning is a great way to make sure that this sticks in your memory. You combine the intellectual, kinesthetic and visual systems together. Do it. And any time you get confused again by it, do it again to help yourself get it straight.)

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