有没有 Doctrine 和 Propel 的比较？
我看过很多 Doctrine 与 Propel 的比较，但没有一个真正说服我选择 Doctrine 而不是 Propel。
我已经使用 Propel 一段时间了，几乎我读到的每一个比较都表明 Propel 没有被很好地记录为第一个问题，而且我已经阅读了 Propel 的文档，它们非常好。此外，大多数比较都已过时（使用 Propel 1.5+）。
有谁知道博客中有一篇非常有说服力的帖子，我可以在其中看到测试结果和一些实际差异？
I've seen plenty of comparisons of Doctrine vs Propel, but none of them has actually convinced me to choose Doctrine over Propel.
I've been using Propel for a while now and almost every comparison I read states that Propel is not well documented as the first problem and I've read Propel's docs and they're quite well. Also, most of comparisons are dated, (using Propel 1.5+).
Does anyone knows of a highly convincing post in a blog where I can see test results and some actual differences?
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我怀疑当我昨天在 freenode 上问问题时你就在场？
大多数时候，驱赶人们的不是技术差异，而是社区。如果它没有一个充满活力和活跃的社区来支持它并回答问题，那么无论它有多好，人们都会被赶走。
I suspect you were around when I asked my question yesterday on freenode?
Most of the time, it's not technical differences that drive people away, but the community. If it doesn't have a vibrant and active community to back it up and answer questions, no matter how much better it is, people will be driven away.
我也使用 Propel 1.5 年（使用 Symfony 1.0）。但后来我得到了一个 Doctrine ORM 项目。我对此不太高兴（因为我根本不了解 Doctrine），但是在使用 Doctrine 几天后我忘记了 Propel。））至于 Propel，我花了大约几周的时间才能够使用它。
以下是来自 Google 的链接（它们位于搜索结果的顶部）：
http://codeutopia.net/blog/2008/03/02/doctrine-vs-propel/
http://codeutopia.net/blog/2009/05/16 /doctrine-vs-propel-2009-update/。
对于我来说，看到Doctrine的优点就足够了。
你应该简单地尝试一下 Doctrine（最好使用这个 ORM 看看真实的项目），然后你就会自己理解它。
在我看来，Doctrine 的开发比 Propel 方便快捷得多。
而且 Doctrine 看起来像原生 SQL，因此更容易理解和调试代码。
I was using Propel for 1,5 years too(with Symfony 1.0). But then I got a project with Doctrine ORM. I wasn't very happy about it(because I didn't know Doctrine at all), but after few days of working with Doctrine I forgot about Propel.)) As for Propel, it took me about few weeks to be able to use it.
Here are to links from Google(they are at the top of search results):
http://codeutopia.net/blog/2008/03/02/doctrine-vs-propel/
http://codeutopia.net/blog/2009/05/16/doctrine-vs-propel-2009-update/.
As for me, it was enough to see advantages of Doctrine.
You should simply try Doctrine(it'd be better to see real project with this ORM) and then you will understand it by yourself.
To my mind, Doctrine is much much more convenient and faster then Propel in development.
And also Doctrine looks like native SQL, so it's easier to understand and debug code.