非启动微软ISV开发，便宜吗？
虽然有一些适合 ISV 初创公司的优秀程序（BizSpark、Emplower ISV 等），但对于非初创公司来说唯一可用的选择似乎是 Visual Studio w/ MSDN。它并没有那么昂贵（我的报价是 8 名开发人员每年 10,080 美元），但我相当确定没有它我们也会一样好。
我们需要相当标准的开发工作站（Windows、Office、VS2008）、少量实际服务器（应用程序、文件、域等），以及一大堆“一次性”测试服务器（用于测试软件的安装/使用）产品）。
计划如下：
- Action Pack（300 美元/年，包括 10 个 Windows/Office 许可证和 1 个服务器许可证，等)
- 8x Visual Studio 2008 标准升级，零售（每件 150 美元，无需购买完整版本）
- 6 个 Server 2008 许可证，零售版（eBay 上的价格为 500 美元/个）
- Server 评估版 (VHD 或普通）
- 用于运行评估的免费 Hyper-V 服务器
如果我的数学没错的话，第一次的成本约为 4500 美元年，以及随后几年的 300 美元。不仅如此，我们还得到了所有那些很酷的塑料盒。
缺点（正如我所见）是我们必须每 120 天回收一次“一次性”服务器（也许是一件好事，这样我们就可以测试我们的安装？）并且我们无法获得 Microsoft 制造的所有软件（我但不知道我们会用它做什么）。
所以我想知道......这是一个疯狂的想法吗？我是不是一个彻头彻尾的小气鬼？这真的有效吗？
While there are a handful of great programs for ISV Startups (BizSpark, Emplower ISV, etc), the only option avaiable for non-startups seems to be Visual Studio w/ MSDN. It's not that expensive (I was quoted $10,080/yr for 8 developers), but I'm fairly sure that we'd be just as fine without it.
We need pretty standard dev workstations (Windows, Office, VS2008), a small handful of actual servers (app, file, domain, etc), and a whole bunch of "disposable" testing servers (used to test installation/usage of the software product).
Here's the plan:
- Action Pack ($300/yr, includes 10x Windows/Office licenses and 1x server licenses, etc)
- 8x Visual Studio 2008 Standard Upgrade, Retail (in the $150/ea range, no need to buy full version)
- 6x Server 2008 licenses, Retail (in the $500/ea range on eBay)
- Evaluation editions of Server (VHD or normal)
- Free Hyper-V Server to run evals
If my math serves me right, that's a cost of ~$4500 for the first year, and $300 for the following years. And not only that, we get all those cool plastic boxes.
The downside (as I see it) is that we have to recycle the "disposable" servers every 120 days (perhaps a good thing, so we can test our installations?) and we don't get every piece of software Microsoft makes (I have no idea what we'd do with it, though).
So I'm wondering... is this a crazy idea? Am I just being a complete cheapskate? Will this actually work?
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创办一家符合 bizspark 资格的新公司怎么样？ （开玩笑，有点像）
How about starting a new company that qualifies for bizspark? (Joking, kind of)
只是一些随机问题：
所有许可协议都允许每 120 天永久重新安装软件吗？
据我所知，永久运行评估软件，每 X 天重新安装一次在我国被视为“滥用”评估许可证，因此被视为非法使用。
您确定可以不用分析器吗？
Visual Studio Standard 没有...
您的时间值多少钱？
例如：设置“每 X 天重新安装所有内容”设置需要多少时间。我认为这至少需要一天的时间，每次执行此操作时......您只能备份特定的内容和设置，而不仅仅是整个服务器。因此，如果您决定使用一些新的服务器组件，您必须记住/确保在下一个“重新安装”日重新安装所有这些组件。即使在每个评估期 1 天的最佳情况下，这也将是 24 个开发人员小时。
最后，回答你的问题：
是的，你是 ;-）
Just some random questions:
Do all license agreements allow the software to be reinstalled permanently every 120 days?
As far as I know running evaluation software permanently, reinstalling it every X days is considered 'abusing' the evaluation license in my country and therefore counts as illegal usage.
Are you sure you can do without a profiler?
Visual Studio Standard doesn't have one...
How much is your time worth?
As in: How much time will go into setting up this 'reinstall everything every X days' setup. I would think this takes at least a day, everytime you do this... you can only backup specific things and settings, not just the whole server. Therefore if you decides you use some new server components you'll have to remember / make sure you reinstall all of these components at the next 'reinstall'-day. Even in the best-case scenario of one day per evaluation period, that will be 24 developer-hours.
And at last, to answer your question:
Yes, you are ;-)
我喜欢这个问题。 我总是发现（微软的）许可信息很难理解，而且销售人员也不是很有帮助，因为他们经常在销售宣传中说一些让我认为他们一无所知的事情，我最终拥有几大的 SQL Server 许可证，但不能完全支持我的需求
我发现一个潜在的问题：我遇到了 120 天的软件评估版本，这些版本从发布开始而不是从安装开始限制 120 天（通常是 CTP，但也有用于调试目的的带 IE6 的 XP vhd）。因此，在这种情况下，您需要 MS 在这 120 天内发布新的评估版本。自安装之日起 120 天内，您需要的所有临时产品都可以提供吗？
I like the question. I've always found (Microsoft's) licensing information to be very hard to grok and the sales people arn't very helpfull either because they often say something in their sales pitch that makes me think they have no clue and I end up with a SQL server license of a couple of grand that doesn't quite support what I need
One potential problem I see: i've run into 120 day evaluation versions of software that were limited 120 days from release not from installation (often CTP's but also the XP vhd with IE6 for debugging purposes). So in that case you are dependent on MS releasing a new eval version within those 120 days. Are all temp products you need available in 120 days from instalation date?
您是否考虑过认证合作伙伴路线。如果您让一些开发人员获得 MCP 称号，然后获得 ISV 能力，您应该能够获得足够的积分来获得认证状态。开发和内部使用许可证应该接近满足您的要求。
每年合作伙伴费用低于2K/年。
Have you considered the Certified Partner route. If you get a few of your devs to get MCP designations and then get the ISV competency you should be able to get sufficient points to get Certified status. The development and internal use licenses should come close to satisfying your requirements.
The annual partner fee is less than 2K/year.
对我来说听起来是个好主意。我想我会补充说，TechNet 的 1 年订阅费为 349 美元，这样您就不必使用服务器的评估版本。
我只是想知道 M$ 还要花多长时间才能接受这种做事方式并重写升级规则
Sounds like a great idea to me. I think I would add is a 1 year subscription to TechNet for $349 and that way you don't have to use evaluation versions of the servers.
I just wonder how long it will be before M$ catches on to this way of doing things and rewords the upgrade rules
从Action Pack 订阅许可页面：
因此，我认为就许可证条款而言，您没有问题。
我还是有点担心你们的虚拟机操作系统。您似乎可以使用评估软件来实现此目的，但请考虑这一点：全新安装可能不再可用。例如，如果在您准备好升级 Windows Server 2008 R2 的生产安装之前，某些假设的 Windows Server 2011 已发布，您的评估可能会全部过期，并且您会发现 2008 版本不再可用。
From the Action Pack Subscription Licensing page:
So I think you're fine as far as the terms of the license go.
I'm still a little worried about your virtual machine operating systems. You seem fine with using evaluation software for that, but consider this: it's possible for fresh installs to cease to be available. For example, if some hypothetical Windows Server 2011 comes out before you're ready to upgrade your production install of Windows Server 2008 R2, your evaluations may all expire and you'll discover that the 2008 versions are no longer available.
那么，您每年可以节省 5,000 美元，但却需要不断承担解决限制、重新安装操作系统以及破坏试用许可证的预期用途的开销？
您和您的开发人员的时间值多少钱？
把你的变通办法所花费的所有时间加起来——实际的工资成本，加上没有花在让你的产品更接近上市的时间上的机会成本。
我猜测这将远远超过 5000 美元！
So, you're saving $5k/year but have the constant overhead of working around limitations, re-installing operating systems, and breaking the intended use of trial licenses?
How much is your time and that of your developers worth?
Add up all the time your workarounds will cost you--real cost in salaries, plus opportunity cost of that time not being spend getting your products closer to being out the door.
My guess is it's going to be a lot more than $5k!
通过 Microsoft 商店购买，您每年可以节省约 1 万美元：
http://store.microsoft.com/microsoft/Visual-Studio-2008-Professional-Edition-with-MSDN-Premium/product/D8B25050
该页面显示它已出现3 年高级订阅。 3 年 2.5k * 8 相当于 20k，而约 10k/年 * 3 (30k)。
You might be able to save ~10k/yr buying through the Microsoft store:
http://store.microsoft.com/microsoft/Visual-Studio-2008-Professional-Edition-with-MSDN-Premium/product/D8B25050
The page says it comes with a 3 year premium subscription. 2.5k * 8 for 3 years would be 20k vs. the ~10k/yr * 3 (30k).