second of all: opera has a built in torrent client.
third: I agree with the stigma attached to p2p. So much so that we have sites that need to be called legaltorrents and such like because by default a torrent would be an illegal thing, and let us not kid ourselves, it is.
getting torrents into the main stream is an excellent idea. you can't tamper with the files you are seeding so there is no risk there.
the big reason is not really stigma. the big reason is analytics, and their protection. with torrents these people (companies like microsoft and such like) would not be able to gather important information about who is doing the downloads (not personally identifiable information, and quickly aggregated away). with torrents, other people would be able to see this information, at least partially. A company would love to seed the torrent of an evaluation version of a competing companys product, just to get an idea of how popular it is and where it is getting downloaded from. It is not as good as hosting the download on your webservers, but it is the next best thing.
this is possibly the reason why the vista download on microsofts sites, or its many service packs and SDKs are not in torrents.
Another thing is that people just wont participate, and that is not difficult to figure out why because of the number of hoops you have to jump through. you got to figure out the firewall, the NAT thing, and then uPNP thing, and then maybe your ISP is throttling your bandwidth, and so on.
Again, I would (and I do) seed my 1.5 times or beyond for the torrents that I download, but that is because these are linux, openoffice that sort of thing. I would probably feel funny seeding adobe acrobat, or some evaluation version or something, because those guys are making profits and I am not a fool to save money for them. Let them pay for http downloads.
edit: (based on the comment by monoxide) For the freeware out there and for SF.net downloads, their problem is that they cannot rely on seeders and will need their fallback on mirrors anyway, so for them torrents is adding to their expense. One more reason that pops to mind is that even in software shops, Internet access is now thoroughly controlled, and ports on which torrents rely plus the upload requirement is absolutely no-no. Since most people who need these sites and their downloads are in these kinds of offices, they will continue to use http.
BUT even that is not the answer. These people have in their licensing terms restrictions on redistribution. And so their problem is this: if you are seeding their software you are redistributing it. That is a violation of their licensing terms so if they host a torrent download and allow you to seed it, that is entrapment and they can be sued (I am not a lawyer, I learn from watching TV). They have to then delicately change their licensing to allow distribution by seeding torrents but not otherwise. This is an easy enough concept for most of us, but the vagaries of the English language and the dumb hard look on the face of the judge make it a very tricky thing to do. The judge may personally understand torrents, but sitting up their in the court he has to frown and pretend not to because it is not documented in legalese.
That there is the ditch they have dug and there they fall into it. Let us laugh at them and their misery. Yesterdays smart is todays stupid.
I'm wondering if part of it is the stigma associated with torrents. The only software that I see providing torrent links are Linux distros, and not all of them (for example, the Ubuntu website does not provide torrents to download Ubuntu). However, if I said I was going to torrent something, most people associate it with illegal downloads (music, video, TV shows, etc).
I think this might come from the top. An engineer might propose using a torrent system to provide downloads, yet management shudders when they hear the word "torrent".
That said, I would indeed use such a system. Although I doubt I would be able to seed at home (I found that the bandwidth kills the connection for everyone else in the house). However, at school, I probably would not only use such a system, but seed for it as well.
Another problem, as mentioned in the other question, is that torrent software is not built into browsers. Until it is, you won't see widespread use of it.
Kontiki (which is very similar to bittorrent), makes up about 10% of all internet traffic by volume in the UK, and is exclusively used for legal distribution of "big media" content.
There are people who won't install a torrent client because they don't want the RIAA sending them extortion letters and running up legal fees in court when they (the RIAA) break into your computer and see MP3 files that are completely legal backup copies of CDs that were legally purchased.
There's a lot of fear about torrents out there and I'm not comfortable with any of the clients that would allow even limited access to my PC because that's the "camel's nose in the tent".
The other posters are correct. There is a huge stigmata against Torrent files in general due to their use by hackers and people who violate copyright law. Look at PirateBay, that is all they "serve" are torrent files. A lot of cable companies in the US have started traffic shaping Torrent traffic on their networks as well because it is such a bandwidth hog.
Remember that torrents are not a download accellerator. They are meant to offload someone who cannot afford (or maybe just doesn't desire) to pay for all the bandwidth themselves. The users who are seeding take the majority of the load. No one seeding? You get no files.
The torrent protocol is also horrible for being so darn chatty. As much as 40% of your communications on the wire can be control flow messages and chat between clients asking for pieces. This is why cable companies hate it so much. There are some other problems of the torrent end game (where it asks a lot of people for final parts in an attempt to complete the torrent but can sometimes end up with 0 available parts so you are stuck with 99% and seeding for everyone).
http is also pretty well established and can be traffic shaped for load balancers, etc. So most legit companies that serve up their content can afford to host it, or use someone like Akamai to repeat the data and then load balance.
Perhaps its the ubiquity of http-enabled browsers, you don't see so much FTP download links anymore, so that could be the biggest factor (ease of use for the end-user).
Still, I think torrent downloads are a valid alternative, even if they won't be the primary download.
I even suggested Sourceforge auto-generate torrents for downloads, and they agreed it was a good idea.. but havn't implemented it (yet). Here's hoping they will.
speeddemosarchive.com 上确实存在类似的内容。 该服务器托管银河战士 Prime 速跑游戏并为其提供永久种子。 我认为这是一个非常聪明的想法。 与您的想法相反，您不需要 HTTP URL。
Something like this actually exists at speeddemosarchive.com. The server hosts a Metroid Prime speedrun and provides a permanent seed for it. I think that it's a very clever idea. Contrary to your idea, you don't need an HTTP URL.
I think one of the reasons is that (currently) torrent links are not fully supported inside web browser... you have to fire up the torrent client and so on.
Maybe is time for a little firefox extension/plugin? Damn, now I am at work! :)
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首先：http://torrent.ubuntu.com/ 用于 ubuntu 上的 torrent。
其次：opera 有一个内置的 torrent 客户端。
第三：我同意p2p的耻辱。 以至于我们有一些网站需要被称为合法种子等，因为默认情况下种子是非法的，我们不要自欺欺人，事实确实如此。
将种子文件纳入主流是一个好主意。 您无法篡改正在播种的文件，因此不存在风险。
最大的原因并不是真正的耻辱。 主要原因是分析及其保护。 对于种子，这些人（像微软之类的公司）将无法收集有关谁在下载的重要信息（不是个人身份信息，并且很快就会被聚合掉）。 通过种子，其他人将能够看到这些信息，至少是部分信息。 一家公司很乐意播种竞争公司产品的评估版本，只是为了了解它的受欢迎程度以及从哪里下载它。 它不如在网络服务器上托管下载那么好，但它是退而求其次的。
这可能就是为什么微软网站上的 vista 下载或其许多服务包和 SDK 没有在 torrent 中的原因。
另一件事是人们不愿意参与，这不难理解为什么，因为你必须跳过很多圈。 你必须弄清楚防火墙、NAT 的问题，然后是 uPNP 的问题，然后也许你的 ISP 会限制你的带宽，等等。
再说一次，我会（而且确实）为我下载的 torrent 做种 1.5 倍或以上，但那是因为这些是 linux、openoffice 之类的东西。 我可能会觉得播种 adobe acrobat 或一些评估版本或其他东西很有趣，因为那些人正在赚钱，而我不是傻瓜为他们省钱。 让他们支付 http 下载费用。
编辑：（基于一氧化碳的评论）
对于那里的免费软件和 SF.net 下载，他们的问题是他们不能依赖播种者，而且无论如何都需要镜像，所以对他们来说，种子下载增加了他们的费用。 我想到的另一个原因是，即使在软件商店中，互联网访问现在也受到彻底控制，种子文件所依赖的端口加上上传要求是绝对不允许的。 由于大多数需要这些网站及其下载的人都在此类办公室中，因此他们将继续使用 http。
但即使这样也不是答案。 这些人的许可条款对再分发有限制。 所以他们的问题是这样的：如果你为他们的软件播种，你就是在重新分发它。 这违反了他们的许可条款，因此如果他们托管种子下载并允许您播种，那就是陷阱，他们可能会被起诉（我不是律师，我从看电视中学到的）。 然后他们必须巧妙地改变他们的许可，以允许通过种子种子进行分发，但不能以其他方式进行分发。 对于我们大多数人来说，这是一个很简单的概念，但英语的变幻莫测和法官脸上愚蠢而严厉的表情使其成为一件非常棘手的事情。 法官个人可能理解种子文件，但坐在法庭上时，他必须皱着眉头假装不理解，因为它没有用法律术语记录。
那是他们挖的沟渠，他们就掉进去了。 让我们嘲笑他们和他们的痛苦。 昨天的聪明就是今天的愚蠢。
干杯!
first of all: http://torrent.ubuntu.com/ for torrents on ubuntu.
second of all: opera has a built in torrent client.
third: I agree with the stigma attached to p2p. So much so that we have sites that need to be called legaltorrents and such like because by default a torrent would be an illegal thing, and let us not kid ourselves, it is.
getting torrents into the main stream is an excellent idea. you can't tamper with the files you are seeding so there is no risk there.
the big reason is not really stigma. the big reason is analytics, and their protection. with torrents these people (companies like microsoft and such like) would not be able to gather important information about who is doing the downloads (not personally identifiable information, and quickly aggregated away). with torrents, other people would be able to see this information, at least partially. A company would love to seed the torrent of an evaluation version of a competing companys product, just to get an idea of how popular it is and where it is getting downloaded from. It is not as good as hosting the download on your webservers, but it is the next best thing.
this is possibly the reason why the vista download on microsofts sites, or its many service packs and SDKs are not in torrents.
Another thing is that people just wont participate, and that is not difficult to figure out why because of the number of hoops you have to jump through. you got to figure out the firewall, the NAT thing, and then uPNP thing, and then maybe your ISP is throttling your bandwidth, and so on.
Again, I would (and I do) seed my 1.5 times or beyond for the torrents that I download, but that is because these are linux, openoffice that sort of thing. I would probably feel funny seeding adobe acrobat, or some evaluation version or something, because those guys are making profits and I am not a fool to save money for them. Let them pay for http downloads.
edit: (based on the comment by monoxide)
For the freeware out there and for SF.net downloads, their problem is that they cannot rely on seeders and will need their fallback on mirrors anyway, so for them torrents is adding to their expense. One more reason that pops to mind is that even in software shops, Internet access is now thoroughly controlled, and ports on which torrents rely plus the upload requirement is absolutely no-no. Since most people who need these sites and their downloads are in these kinds of offices, they will continue to use http.
BUT even that is not the answer. These people have in their licensing terms restrictions on redistribution. And so their problem is this: if you are seeding their software you are redistributing it. That is a violation of their licensing terms so if they host a torrent download and allow you to seed it, that is entrapment and they can be sued (I am not a lawyer, I learn from watching TV). They have to then delicately change their licensing to allow distribution by seeding torrents but not otherwise. This is an easy enough concept for most of us, but the vagaries of the English language and the dumb hard look on the face of the judge make it a very tricky thing to do. The judge may personally understand torrents, but sitting up their in the court he has to frown and pretend not to because it is not documented in legalese.
That there is the ditch they have dug and there they fall into it. Let us laugh at them and their misery. Yesterdays smart is todays stupid.
Cheers!
我想知道其中一部分是否是与种子相关的耻辱。 我看到的唯一提供 torrent 链接的软件是 Linux 发行版，而不是全部（例如，Ubuntu 网站不提供下载 Ubuntu 的 torrent）。 然而，如果我说我要下载某些内容，大多数人会将其与非法下载（音乐、视频、电视节目等）联系起来。
我认为这可能来自高层。 工程师可能会建议使用 torrent 系统来提供下载，但管理层在听到“torrent”这个词时会感到不寒而栗。
也就是说，我确实会使用这样的系统。 尽管我怀疑我是否能够在家里播种（我发现带宽会破坏家里其他人的连接）。 然而，在学校，我可能不仅会使用这样的系统，还会使用它的种子。
正如另一个问题中提到的，另一个问题是 torrent 软件没有内置于浏览器中。 在此之前，您不会看到它的广泛使用。
I'm wondering if part of it is the stigma associated with torrents. The only software that I see providing torrent links are Linux distros, and not all of them (for example, the Ubuntu website does not provide torrents to download Ubuntu). However, if I said I was going to torrent something, most people associate it with illegal downloads (music, video, TV shows, etc).
I think this might come from the top. An engineer might propose using a torrent system to provide downloads, yet management shudders when they hear the word "torrent".
That said, I would indeed use such a system. Although I doubt I would be able to seed at home (I found that the bandwidth kills the connection for everyone else in the house). However, at school, I probably would not only use such a system, but seed for it as well.
Another problem, as mentioned in the other question, is that torrent software is not built into browsers. Until it is, you won't see widespread use of it.
Kontiki（与 bittorrent 非常相似）约占所有互联网流量的 10%英国的卷，专门用于“大媒体”内容的合法分发。
Kontiki (which is very similar to bittorrent), makes up about 10% of all internet traffic by volume in the UK, and is exclusively used for legal distribution of "big media" content.
有些人不会安装 torrent 客户端，因为他们不希望 RIAA 在侵入您的计算机并看到完全合法的备份副本的 MP3 文件时向他们发送勒索信并在法庭上收取律师费合法购买的 CD。
人们对种子下载有很多恐惧，而且我对任何允许对我的电脑进行有限访问的客户端都感到不舒服，因为那是“帐篷里的骆驼鼻子”。
There are people who won't install a torrent client because they don't want the RIAA sending them extortion letters and running up legal fees in court when they (the RIAA) break into your computer and see MP3 files that are completely legal backup copies of CDs that were legally purchased.
There's a lot of fear about torrents out there and I'm not comfortable with any of the clients that would allow even limited access to my PC because that's the "camel's nose in the tent".
其他海报是正确的。 由于 Torrent 文件被黑客和违反版权法的人使用，因此普遍存在着巨大的耻辱。 看看 PirateBay，他们“提供”的只是种子文件。 美国的许多有线电视公司也开始对其网络上的 Torrent 流量进行流量整形，因为它非常占用带宽。
请记住，种子不是下载加速器。 它们旨在减轻那些无力（或者可能只是不想）自己支付所有带宽费用的人的负担。 做种的用户承担了大部分负载。 没人播种吗？ 你没有得到任何文件。
洪流协议也很糟糕，因为它太啰嗦了。 多达 40% 的线路通信可以是控制流消息以及请求片段的客户端之间的聊天。 这就是有线电视公司如此讨厌它的原因。 洪流最终游戏还存在一些其他问题（它要求很多人提供最终部分以尝试完成洪流，但有时可能会得到 0 个可用部分，因此你只能完成 99% 的任务并为每个人做种）。
http 也相当完善，可以为负载均衡器等调整流量。因此，大多数提供内容的合法公司都可以负担得起托管费用，或者使用 Akamai 等公司来重复数据，然后进行负载均衡。
The other posters are correct. There is a huge stigmata against Torrent files in general due to their use by hackers and people who violate copyright law. Look at PirateBay, that is all they "serve" are torrent files. A lot of cable companies in the US have started traffic shaping Torrent traffic on their networks as well because it is such a bandwidth hog.
Remember that torrents are not a download accellerator. They are meant to offload someone who cannot afford (or maybe just doesn't desire) to pay for all the bandwidth themselves. The users who are seeding take the majority of the load. No one seeding? You get no files.
The torrent protocol is also horrible for being so darn chatty. As much as 40% of your communications on the wire can be control flow messages and chat between clients asking for pieces. This is why cable companies hate it so much. There are some other problems of the torrent end game (where it asks a lot of people for final parts in an attempt to complete the torrent but can sometimes end up with 0 available parts so you are stuck with 99% and seeding for everyone).
http is also pretty well established and can be traffic shaped for load balancers, etc. So most legit companies that serve up their content can afford to host it, or use someone like Akamai to repeat the data and then load balance.
也许是因为支持 http 的浏览器无处不在，您不再看到那么多的 FTP 下载链接，所以这可能是最大的因素（最终用户的易用性）。
尽管如此，我认为种子下载是一个有效的选择，即使它们不是主要下载。
我什至建议 Sourceforge 自动生成种子以供下载，他们也同意这是一个好主意..但尚未实施（尚未）。 希望他们会这么做。
Perhaps its the ubiquity of http-enabled browsers, you don't see so much FTP download links anymore, so that could be the biggest factor (ease of use for the end-user).
Still, I think torrent downloads are a valid alternative, even if they won't be the primary download.
I even suggested Sourceforge auto-generate torrents for downloads, and they agreed it was a good idea.. but havn't implemented it (yet). Here's hoping they will.
speeddemosarchive.com 上确实存在类似的内容。
该服务器托管银河战士 Prime 速跑游戏并为其提供永久种子。
我认为这是一个非常聪明的想法。
与您的想法相反，您不需要 HTTP URL。
Something like this actually exists at speeddemosarchive.com.
The server hosts a Metroid Prime speedrun and provides a permanent seed for it.
I think that it's a very clever idea.
Contrary to your idea, you don't need an HTTP URL.
我认为原因之一是（目前）网络浏览器内部不完全支持 torrent 链接...您必须启动 torrent 客户端等等。
也许是时候安装一些 Firefox 扩展/插件了？ 妈的，现在我已经上班了！ :)
I think one of the reasons is that (currently) torrent links are not fully supported inside web browser... you have to fire up the torrent client and so on.
Maybe is time for a little firefox extension/plugin? Damn, now I am at work! :)